Hello everyone! Today I’m here to talk about something entirely different than usual. It’s just one of those things that I am quite honestly getting more fed up with every day. What’s that? The Raist is getting angry about something? I thought that guy was always in total and complete Zen mode? Erm, no. I may not always let it shine through, but even I can get angry about stuff. Today I’m talking about “fandom”. You will notice how I put that word in between quotation marks, and yes I did that with a purpose. Because really it’s beginning to annoy me how certain people these days are talking thrash about films and tv shows that haven’t even been released yet, based solely on a single trailer. And it’s a movement that seems to be gaining momentum more and more each day. When you head on over to Youtube there are even channels that seem devoted to actively influence people with their opinions. They believe that a film is going to be bad, without even having seen it yet, and in that way they seem to find great pleasure in it to convince the masses of that. A great example of that is the new Terminator film that is going to be released this year. Let’s first take a look at the trailer for that film, and then take it from there.
So, there we go. A trailer of a little over two minutes, and if you start reading some of the responses, or look at some “expert” opinions, they all think the film is going to be a total wash out. The funny thing is though, last week a new featurette for the film was released at comic con that had people all of a sudden have a total change of heart. I for one think the trailer doesn’t look bad at all. It’s nice to see Linda Hamilton make a return to the franchise and with James Cameron as a producer I think the movie definitely has some potential. But that’s just it: I don’t know! I haven’t seen the film and neither has anyone else yet. Trailers can be very deceptive. I have seen trailers that got me excited so much that my expectations went totally through the roof. Only to have me leave the theatre in total disappointment. Then again the opposite happened quite a number of times as well. What is bugging me about all this though is the negativity that seems to have the upper hand lately when it comes to, for lack of a better term, all things geek. I’m proud to be geek, and would not have it any other way. But I’m starting to think that lately we as fans are starting to get a little too negative for our own good. Now before you start throwing stones at me, thinking I have totally lost it, and start to massively unsubscribe, let me explain.
I think the start of all this can be traced back to the release of Star Wars:The Last Jedi. That film caused a rift in the Star Wars fan community that is as big as the conflict between the Sith and the Jedi itself. Now I will be the last one to defend that film because despite being a massive Star Wars fan, that is the one movie that I absolutely despise. That is just it though: it’s just one movie! Does that all of a sudden make me stop watching Star Wars or not become excited for any future projects? No, because really why? Compare it to your favorite tv show or anime. Has there ever been one that didn’t have at least one or more bad episodes? Of course not. Did that one episode make you stop watching it? I’m guessing the answer to that question is probably no. So why should that be different when it comes to movies. The thing I just can’t wrap my head around is the fact that people are determined to not even give something a chance because of one bad trailer, or one bad experience. But you know, that is okay really because well, everyone is entitled to do what they want. What isn’t okay in my opinion is convincing other people to do that as well. To have fans that are maybe still not entirely sure of something turn their backs on it. There is one aspect though that is also important not to forget.
Being a fan of something means, at least for most people that is, being very passionate about it. That passion can both be a blessing and a curse. It’s great to totally geek out on something that you are passionate about. To jump up and down in excitement when you see it, and make others look at you as if you have totally lost your mind. That same passion however can also turn into something really dark, when the thing you were excited about suddenly turns into something you totally dislike. And that raises another question, how far do the obligations go that directors or creators of franchises have towards us as fans? When you are a fan of something you have certain expectations. And that is normal. I mean you don’t become a fan of something like for instance The Terminator, and have the new movie be a musical. (Although it would be interesting to see how that would turn out lol). That doesn’t mean that a franchise is not allowed to take some risks, or maybe try some things out. I have seen some fans litterally make demands of creators to do certain things, to the point of death threats! That is where one should draw the line. It’s okay for us to offer suggestions, but in the end it’s still THEIR franchise, and we are just along for the hopefully pleasant ride.
So after all this, was there any point to this rather long post? Well, yes. I’m just hoping that there will be some kind of positive wind that will blow through the fan community that brings an end to the negative spiral we seem to be in. Because really, maybe it’s just me, but I just want to go back to becoming excited for a new film or show, instead of hearing how it will probably become another box office bomb or get cancelled after one episode. In the end it all comes down to one of the most important things of all time: respect. It’s okay if you don’t like something. It’s also okay to write about it, and totally trash it if you want to. But also respect the opinion of someone who has other feelings while you are doing that. And maybe give something a chance first as well, before you start to write it off too soon. So, let’s discuss this in the comments section! Have you noticed the same things? Am I maybe exaggerating too much? What are your own thoughts on all this? I’m going to leave you with the Terminator Dark Fate featurette that had people thinking that maybe the film might not be so bad after all. Come with me if you want to live…..see you next time!
Raistlin0903 
I don’t understand the “constant negativity” thing. Well, unfortunately, I do, actually: posting provocative, negative things designed to get people angry has proven to be an extremely effective method of getting people to click on videos, articles, whatever — and, as we all know by now, any sort of ad-supported media relies on nothing more than people giving those clicks; it doesn’t matter whether or not they LIKED the thing they clicked on, because by the time they clicked, it’s too late.
This then perpetuates itself with people going “LOOK AT HOW WRONG THIS YOUTUBER IS ABOUT THE THING I LIKE”, in turn sending even more people to go and look at the YouTuber, giving them yet more clicks and allowing them to profit from this “hatesharing”.
The only thing you can really do, unfortunately, is take a stand against it by providing positivity: something which everyone reading this knows is something you’re very good at, and is something that I strive to do with my site each and every day. I don’t derive any sort of value or satisfaction from reading or watching things about how much someone hates something or thinks it’s “bad”; I’m much more interested in positivity, enthusiasm and passion.
I completely understand your frustration. All I can hope is that this is a trend that will one day pass by, and one day it will be cool to like things again. But it does seem to have been getting worse over the course of the last few years!
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Wow, thank you so much for reading this post, and taking the time to write such a great and wonderful comment! 😊
Yeah, you are certainly right about that. Clickbait is one of the things that people seem to enjoy when going on Youtube. But this weekend, I was just so annoyed by it and I decide to write a post about it. It’s probably not even going to be a popular post, but well, as you so accurately put it: I decided to take a stand. One of the videos I saw this weekend was about the upcoming Star Wars film and a huge banner: We don’t care anymore. The first thing that sprang to mind for me was: Who is this we? Because I DO care. Same as with the Terminator. What people decided that this film is going to be terrible? Sure…it might be, but do we know that now? Of course not.
I definitely always try to bring a postive note to my blog (and thanks so much for saying that: it made me smile), but yeah the current climate is just as if so many people just take pleasure in trashing things that really aren’t always trash.
That said: luckily not everyone is like that, so I always try to keep finding the silver linings so to speak: such as this comment! 😊 Thank you so much! 😊
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“a rift as big as the conflict between the Sith and the Jedi itself”! haha nice one!
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Haha, thanks so much😂 Yeah, had to be toying a little bit with this: otherwise it would almost seem like a bit of a rant post lol 😂 Great to see you again by the way: hope you are well 😊
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I am well-up for the new Terminator film. That’s one franchise that I have always thought made great sequels. I stopped the trailer quick though, as like most trailers, it shows the ‘best bits’, and acts as a real ‘spoiler’.
I wouldn’t be watching Batwoman anyway, as that’s never been my thing. And I certainly wouldn’t let any You Tube bedroom critic influence whether or not I wanted to watch a film. I am slightly influenced by critics I admire and tend to agree with, like Mark Kermode. But even if he totally slagged off a film, I would always want to make up my own mind, by watching it.
Best wishes, Pete.
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Well, that’s pretty much what I wanted to say with this post Pete 😊 It’s exactly as you say: making up one’s own mind is pretty much how it should be. But lately there are people that believe they are the authority and that it’s cool just to trash things that nobody even knows yet if they will be good/bad yet. As well as saying that other people shouldn’t watch it either 😊And that is just taking things too far.
As for the Terminator: yeah I am looking forward to it myself as well 😊 I don’t even mind if it’s going to be a bad film: it will just be very cool seeing Linda and Arnold together again 😊
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I think people these days seem to thrive off negativity and that seems really unhealthy to me. I personally prefer to look at the good in all things and while that makes for a more enjoyable ‘watching’ experience, it makes interactions with these fandoms all the more troublesome. It’s a delicate balancing act–one I’ve not really come close to master–but at the end of the day I think it’s best to just let the finished project speak for itself and not judge things on first impressions alone!
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Thanks Matt! Exactly you said it so correctly: let the finished project speak for itself 😊
This weekend the trigger came for me to write this post: I saw a youtube video about the new Star Wars film: with a huge clickbait title: We don’t care anymore! I figured: really who is this we you are talking about? 🤔🤔 It really made me angry as well as the constant trashing of things just because it’s seemingly: “cool”. You are right though it is a tough balancing act: but I always try to see the fun things in whatever I watch myself as well 😊 That said: it doesn’t take much for me to enjoy something anyway so there is that 😊
Thanks for your great comment!
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The thing with fan is the think the are entitled to say everything they want about a series, they think they have right over it cause if it wasn’t of them it wouldn’t be popular. They seemed to forget their popular franchise wouldn’t exist if it wasn’t of the creative vision of the writers and producers. They complain when there is not enough material but when something new is announced they complain even more cause they are not happy about it.
This can be apply to every medium.
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So true Mel, could not agree with you more 😊Sure, it’s okay to not like something. I mean not everything is good, and of course one is always entitled to an opinion. But the constant negativity these days for things that nobody has even seen yet, based on past experiences…it just seems nothing these days can satisfy people anymore. I’m a positive guy and I always try to see the positive notes in things, but this weekend I saw another one of those negative videos and just decided to write a piece on it and take a bit of a different stance so to speak! 😊 Thanks for your comment! 😊
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Nice article, I do agree with some points but I disagree with some as well.
I totally agree there is to much negativty out there. Not just about movie trailers but games as well. People want to crucify something for a single slip up.
However , I think South Park once said it quite nicely. In the episode about Lucas’s remakes. We all bought a ticket for the films, we are all a pebble or a steppingstone that made these franchises great so I do think we are allowed to watch with a critical eye. They maintain the franchise but for a very small chunk we are a part of that.
I fear, based on the first teaser of Mulan, they might cut out the pretending to be a man… for pc reasons (you see Mulan only training as a woman) though). I hated all the disney live action remakes and this makes me feel they are making the same mistakes yet again. Beauty and the Beast I was excited for, it was not good, Malifcent was a great concept it was not good, Alladin I felt meh about and even that went below my expectations, so the standard is pretty low.
Genesis was not a good terminator movie so I can see how people would assume the next will be bad , based on extrapolation of the current situation.
The trouble I think actually is, part of the fandom is being to negative, while the other remains positive no matter what. Giving the movie studies expectations they can not live up to one the one hand while not really having to make an effort for the others (Lion King movie as an example for me) resulting in lower efforts.
So I do feel fandoms are destroying our franchises, it works both ways. We can’t blindly hate, but we cant blindly love either, right now we are doing both more then being reasonable.
Proof that negativity can work for example is shown in the Sonic Movie. We had the negative part of the fanbase, but not the postive one. So the designers said “okay let’s adress your issue’. Which is great and I admire them for it.
The fandom needs to find balance again, not only in negativity but in positivity as well.
The Last Jedi, (which I found quite bad) got both extrmes as well cancelling each other out and in the end no one gets hurt.
We need to be able to think for ourselves again, rather then jump the bandwagon. If you are a fan, your opinion matters, YOURS, not that of the angry mob nor the raving fanboys.
A true fan should be able to tell perfectly what they like and dislike without using “but it used to be this” or :”but they follow that stupid trend”.
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First off: thank you so much for taking the time to write such a long and great comment! 😊
You know: that is exactly pretty much the point I was trying to make with this post: everyone is entitled to their own opinions, it’s as it should be😊 It’s the actively trying to influence people to just be negative that is getting on my nerves. It comes down to a very important thing which I believe is fundemental: respect. When I wrote my post about the Last Jedi I was in total rage mode: I even said so. It was the most negative post I have ever written, simply because I am such a passionate fan and the movie destroyed so much things I liked about the franchise. But…I did not lose track of the fact that there were also people who did like it, and who might like it. I even said I thought that was great 😊
But what’s happening now on certain channels, is that there are some hosts that simply think their opinion is the only thing that matters, and if others think differently or positive about something then there must be something wrong with them.
And that is what is getting on my nerves so to speak. Of course we need to be critical when it comes to things we love. If we aren’t that means that things can’t ever improve.
But we also need to keep an open mind, and not judge things too harshly based on something small. It all comes down to balance…exactly as you said it ! 😊 Thanks again for your awesome words: appreciate it! 😊😊
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Thank you for reacting, and yes , mass negativity gets on my nevers as well, like people yelling o boycot the new Pokémon game because not all of them are in it.. I hate that.
But I hate the other side about as much, those who justify every bit of comment you can have by saying stuff like “It’s a modern take on the concept’ ‘they are trying t make it relatable for a younger audience’,
Critismn shoulld be well thought off, make points that actually matter and one can use to improve, positive feedback.
Compliments should be earned. So I do feel both sides are to blame, but the haters are ironnicaly easier to hate.
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Yeah: the thing that prompted me to write this was a video I saw on Youtube about the upcoming new Star Wars film that simply said; “ We don’t care anymore!” I mean really…who is this “ We” lol. Because really, I DO care, and I am still looking forward to it. Am I cautious now though? Of course. I am not one of those fans that simply likes everything just because it’s…what ever franchise it is I’m supposed to like.
But true enough just blindly liking everything is pretty much just as bad. Although even that isn’t bad, as long as it is that person’s own opinion. Just don’t force it on others that might think differently. And that is what happens too much these days 😊
I think it will always be a question of when something is too much and too little, but well…that’s why we need, balance as you so accurately said! 😊
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Very good post. Some of the anger you had reminded me of when I made that Fandom Hypocrisy post late last year.
I did see the Terminator trailer. Sure, I thought it was weird seeing Arnold in his 70s appear in another Terminator movie (fact: he’s spent half of his life playing that character since the first movie), I didn’t think it was that bad of a trailer. Granted, The Terminator isn’t my thing, but I was shocked to find out about all the backlash. It’s just silly how people can freak out over a trailer whether it’s rampant praise or scorn for just a 2-3 minute preview of a movie. People really need to calm down and reassess their priorities.
Am I saying fans shouldn’t have any passion for what they like? Absolutely not. I’m guilty of some of this with some of my reviews and opinion pieces on my blogs. If I gave into my fandom biases when I reviewed things, then I’d be insufferable and my film critic acumen would be called into question. Using some examples with things I’ve reviewed, part of me wanted to give full praise to The Garden of Words because it was a Makoto Shinkai film, but I found it to be the worst of his filmography with how questionable the plot was especially if you reverse the genders of the main characters. Part of me wanted to rip apart the British documentary Trashed because it prominently features Jeremy Irons who’s most famous role involves playing a certain Disney clone of Claw from Kimba the White Lion, but I really enjoyed that documentary.
There are worse issues in the world than how good or how bad a movie may or may not be. Sure, you can call out things like bad plotting, bad acting, protagonist centered morality, or unfortunate implications such as racism or sexism, but this can’t be the all encompassing hatred from all the fans out there.
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Thank you so much! And I agree with everything you just wrote here. Yeah, it was this weekend that I just found myself thinking: I really want to do something to adress this issue. So why not write a post about it. I know also this probably won’t be a pretty popular post, but hey…that’s okay too, because I just really wanted to write about this.
The backlash over the trailer was crazy, and even crazier was the fact that 3-4 weeks later that comic con featurette came out, and all of a sudden most people suddenly became very enthusiastic for it lol.
And of course fans should continue to be critical. I mean, we don’t just have to blindly like everything. That is just silly. But as one of the other comments just said : it’s about balance. But the constant influencing and spreading of negativity just because it’s…”cool” to maybe do say, and sometimes totally based on nothing is what sometimes gets me really riled up.
Oh well, hopefully when people read this they will spread some positivity as well. I always love to discuss things, and respect other’s opinions: and that’s how it should be. Everyone is allowed to have their OWN opinion: as long as you don’t FORCE it on other people😊 Thank you again! 😊
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You’re welcome, Raistlin! I’m really glad you addressed that situation. It is so bizarre how the span of two trailers can supposedly change someone’s opinion. I think the Aladdin remake did that, too, but this is just so insane and it can show how fickle fandoms can be.
Definitely, and I have no disagreements there. Hating something because it’s cool is lame as well as it’s counterproductive. I do hope some positivity shines through in some way. I agree and I wish people wouldn’t give me crap about liking or not liking something. No problem!
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I think it’s wonderful to feel passionately about something, whether it’s a film series tv, or a book series. That said, to base an opinion on a trailer/teaser I think is a little shortsighted. And for fans to be so nasty? Well, that’s one of many reasons why beyond my blog, I’m not on social media.
Hey, is Batwoman receiving lots of negativity? I’ve liked the couple of trailers I’ve seen.🤷🏻♀️
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Haha, oh wow: you should see the backlash those trailers have gotten Kim. Like you I loved those trailers as well. But so many are hating it, and it’s stirred up quite the controversy.
I am a passionate fan myself, but I also am someone who does want to keep an open mind. Star Wars is ofcourse the best example. Yes I didn’t like The Last Jedi, but at the same time I knew this was one film: and I loved Solo. I am looking forward to the Rise of Skywalker, but at the same time I am being cautious. The thing is that there are now people actively boycotting Star Wars, simpley because of one film. And that’s just taking things too far. But well, it is what it is I guess, but I just really wanted to do something with it, which is why I simply wrote this post to bring some positivity as a kind of counterbalance 😊
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Seriously? WTH?😡 “Keeping an open mind.” Something we all should practice more.
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Yeah, agreed…but well, unfotunately not everyone seems that way😢
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I was reading some of the complaints. Ruby Rose “isn’t lesbian enough!” “shes not Jewish enough!” Good grief! This is like the Little Mermaid controversy because they cast Halle Bailey as Ariel. People need to get a life!🤦🏻♀️
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It’s crazy isn’t it? Especially since it’s total BS and I think she really plays the role, from what little I have seen in the trailers, seriously good. The outfit also looks amazing on her, so it’s such a shame that so many people are already condemning this show without having seen it yet. I hope that once the show airs, people might hopefully get a change of heart. Fingers crossed 😊
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What a great article! I fully agree that one should not try to persuade uncertain fans to hate something, nor to love it, before they’ve seen it. I don’t see many movies, but I try to watch anime before judging it. Not in every case of course. I’m not that perfect. But as a general rule. I also think that more positivity in fandom and online in general would be good for everyone. Sadly, becoming reactive and hateful is part of human nature, and so is polarized thinking, to either love or hate. If anything can really cause a change in the fandom culture, it would need a lot of public awareness and effort on everyone’s part. Putting that aside, I wanted to make two notes.
1) A Bigger Problem. I don’t know from what country you hail, but black-and-white thinking, the fixation on either loving or hating, runs rampant in American culture. I don’t think the fandom negativity or polarized thinking can be changed until American culture somehow changes. It seems impossible right now. 😦 I’m too busy with my own mental care to do much advocating these days.
2 Hating Something “Just For Now.” I have always had very powerful, overwhelming emotions. I am also prone to polarized thinking. It’s taken many years of therapy to get to where I recognize it and try to stop doing it. When it comes to anime, sometimes, a bad episode or one negative element will piss me off so damn much that I just cannot watch any more… for now. Often, I’m able to go back and watch the anime, and maybe even like it, after taking a long break from it or anything that reminds me of it. I think it’s natural to be negative and critical when something makes you that angry. However, even when I acknowledge that I hate an anime, I don’t go around trying to make other people hate it. I guess what I’m trying to say is that intense negativity comes very naturally to some of us (like me), but taking a break for a while really helps.
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Wow! First off, thank you so much for the kind words, and the time you took to write this great comment! I appreciate it very much😊 Ofcourse: it goes without saying: we all sometimes become maybe overenthusiastic (or quite vengeful) when passionate about something. That’s really okay, and I don’t see anything wrong with that. It’s the part where you don’t really aren’t open for another one’s opinion anymore where it begins to become something bigger. You can see it happening on youtube so much. People respond to a video in a certain way: and then other people might go totally bashing that person for usually no reason. Respect is something that seemingly seems to be in short supply at times. But yeah, positive thinking is one of the most difficult things to do: but it can be so rewarding! 😊 As for your two notes:
1) I’m from Holland, and well we also have that problem at times. Some people can be very biased, but it’s also it’s a matter how one is raised, and what groups can influence you. In the end though everyone is his/her own person and responsible for his/her actions. That said, I know what you mean. Some things, especially in cultures can be difficult to change. It’s never impossible though 😊
2) Well…trust me the time that happened to me, was with Star Wars the Last Jedi. I’m a very passionate fan, have been for years. And that movie just ruined so much of the good things I loved. It took me a while to get over it, but…that said, even as I was very negative at that point: I also did my best to acknowledge that there were people who loved it all the same, and that was okay 😊
Also: I want to say that there is nothing wrong with powerful or overwhelming emotions. We all have these at times. It’s already terrific that you acknowledge it, and that is truly meant as a compliment! Taking a break from thing is definitely one heck of a good way to do that😊
Thank you again for this amazing comment!
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Aww and thank YOU for the thoughtful reply and the caring compliment.
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You are very welcome! 😊
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In general I agree because there is too much negativity in the fandom space because the unsolicited hate that just appears and takes over all discussion of things that other people love.
At the same time, there is sometimes some warrant to disliking or worrying and what happens next. The endless bad terminator sequels after 2 kind of give me pause towards this new one, I didn’t find the new Star Trek Picard series trailer good at all because it’s similar to the TNG films that I mostly disliked, or I’m not sure about the next Star Wars film because one of the writers worked on Justice League and BvS:DOJ that I also didn’t like. Those are just my concerns because these of what I’ve seen from all these trailer things, and whether or not I want to see them or not is just my opinion. Forcing other people to think and see the same way on these things is an absolutely horrible choice.
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Totally agree with you Scott! 😊 It’s exactly that: it’s your opinion! And that’s the biggest difference. The thing is this weekend I saw a youtube video this weekend that proclaimed WE didn’t care anymore about the new Star Wars film. And I thought: wow, so you talked to every Star Wars fan in the entire world and came up with this? It was a pure rant, and everyone who tried to say something positive or had a different opinion was blasted away. And that’s what I mean by the current negativity. Sure…I also have my concerns about the new film (both terminator and star wars) But at the same time, I’m also still going to give them both a chance, because well I’m a fan, and one bad thing won’t all of a sudden make me dismiss everything new that is brought out. It will make me more cautious, that is for sure 😊
Hopefully in the future things will change, because seriously I love all things geek and just love talking about it all! 😊😊
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As a general rule I don’t pay attention to people’s impressions before they’ve even seen the movie. I remember how much I loved Waterworld when I saw it as a teen and yet that movie bombed on arrival due to negative publicity before it was even released. It isn’t a perfect movie but it was certainly better than most reviews about it made it sound.
That said, while people choose to watch and read and click on negative content it is going to keep being a part of the internet. And there isn’t anything wrong with disliking something, but honestly if the person wants to go on a rant about why something is dreadful they really should have seen it first at least.
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I agree😊 There is nothing wrong with disliking something at all. (hey we all do that sometimes 😊) It’s just that lately people seem very determined to just rant/hate on something without any real basis, and whenever someone else has a different opinion, they totally crush that person. That is what really makes me annoyed 😔
You are so right about Waterworld: perfect example! And for the record I loved that movie too! 😊😊 But yeah, it’s become something that seems to be growing very much lately, and this weekend a particular video made me very angry so I just had to write this post. It’s not going to be a popular one, but well I also did as a bit of therapy, and it hopefully will bring a little bit of positivity at the same time 😊
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Negativity sadly seems to be what draws an audience. I love watching trailers but I can be very knee jerk sometimes like oh dear, that doesn’t look good or oh, my God greatest trailer in history but I find I only want to talk about and share the ones I love. That’s so much more fun 🙂
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Lol! Well, that’s what we all do. Sure, I of course see trailers too that make me cringe, or jump up and down in excitement. But, that’s what’s fun about trailers! 😊 I would never however convince people of not going to watch a movie because the trailer looks bad. I mean it’s not the whole film, so a bad trailer might mean a great film 😊
True enough though: talking about trailers that are cool is way more fun! 😊
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Unfortunately, bad news or bashing carries more weight and carries further than good news or neutral opinions. Wish more things weren’t DOA simply because of negative campaigns.
I mean, it’s one thing to be upset when something doesn’t look good. I myself am not happy that the upcoming Mulan seems to be taking much (if all) the Disney magic out of it, and I’ll say that and explain why. But I am not going to wage campaigns on it.
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Exactly! And that is the main difference. Ofcourse sometimes I see trailers and have what Han Solo always says: “ a bad feeling about this😂”. But well, I still try to keep into mind it’s only a trailer, and the final product might be different. But the active campaigning that seems to have taken over at times to really convince people that it WILL be bad, often without any kind of basis, that is what is making me annoyed. But well, hopefully something will make it turn positive again😊 Hopefully this post just helps a little bit😊
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I like that negativity sometimes, but only when it’s either coming from an honest place or done in a very clever, funny way — 99% of what I’ve seen people call “snark” doesn’t count as clever or funny in my opinion. But I’m also all about giving a work a fair chance. As you say, the trailer isn’t the movie, and a bad trailer doesn’t mean the movie is going to be bad. Reviewers also bear a responsibility to be honest with their readers, and with all the negative clickbaity garbage out there, I think trust in some of the big review sites has been eroded.
The idea of fan entitlement you bring up is also interesting. While I think it’s too often used as a defense to any criticism at all by studios, writers, and actors who are trying to prop up a flop, it’s also insane that people are obsessive enough to send death threats over movies/games they don’t like. I think the Ghostbusters reboot provides a good example of both extremes to the extent that the controversy ended up being a lot bigger than the movie itself.
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Haha, oh yeah. Sometimes there are negative videos, that make for a good laugh (Some of the videos for the last season of Game of Thrones were just too funny😂). But it’s the real bashing without any real reason that seems to have taken the upper hand lately. Trailers can sometimes really present a movie poorly (or, so good, that when you see the final movie, it seems the trailer was the best bit about it). But well, I just wish some people would give things more of a fair chance. It’s okay to be negative about something, like you say it is good to be honest about things, but it seems lately the lines for honesty have blurred.
Yeah exactly. I mean of course creators or filmmakers need to pay attention to what the fans say and want as well. But in the end it is THEIR movie, and for people going so far as to be sending deahth threats, I really wonder what is going with the world in general at times. One can only hope that things will change for the positive again. That was a good example you provided by the way! 😊😊
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I found it really disheartening to watch the ugly discourse in the Spider-Man fandom. It was a really weird moment of in-fighting over what film Spider-Man is the “true” Spider-Man or “true” Peter Parker. Have you heard of stan culture? Stalker + fan that maybe came out of celebrity fandoms, but ultimately normalizes extreme admiration. It’s permeated into mainstream pop culture. I hated seeing the “Raimi stans vs MCU stans” fight about their Spider-Men when, in reality, we should be happy that our favorite character has had so many iterations and has received so much attention in film. Maybe it’s the same thing with the Russos getting so much hate over Endgame, claiming to be emotionally distraught when, honestly, it is very unhealthy to put so much mental stock in fictional characters and stories. I’m all for fans to love stuff, but we need to do it in a healthy and productive manner. If it’s just about tearing people down, I cannot support.
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You are so right. I think as a fan of multiple franchises that there will always be things you will like, and dislike at the same time. But it’s okay to sometimes don’t like something, as long as you respect the fact that there are others who do like it. Spiderman definitely is a great example. With so many different versions now, there is bound to be one you maybe dislike: but still you are right! In the end it’s great to see our favourite webslinger getting enough exposure to keep enjoying it!
Haven’t hear of stan culture, but yes it sounds like a very accurate description of what at times is going on. In the end it’s only a movie/tvshow/ book or whatever it is, and people should keep that in mind. I can at times of course be passionate about something myself, but I would never become so passionate that I would lose all sense of reality. And lately that seems to be what’s happening, hence this post. Thank you very much, for this great comment! 😊
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You should try do what i do for movies i really want to see… i refuse to watch the trailers, i stay away from fb, and if i hear people talking about it i run away or tell them not to spoil it for me. Im totally exited for terminator, do i think a new film is nessasary? No, but i loved the caracter linda played in T1 and 2. Im glad the gov can make an appearance too
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Lol! Well..honestly staying away from trailers is something I have tried…but I just can’t do it. I simply must watch a trailer (it’s this strange urge I guess that I just can’t refuse😂😂) As for FB I never go there anyway, so I am safe for that lol 😊
Same here: No I don’t think a new film is necessary, but well with the old team back together, I’m just really looking forward to it nonetheless 😊 Fingers crossed it’s going to be a fun ride (and it will probably be the last time we see Arnie in this role, so it will be extra special😊).
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I’m with you, good sir. There is a lot of hate thrown around for free in the community and it’s even worse when it seems that it always comes from that fandom who are ruthless just because the original will never be bested… ever… I wish everyone would just remain optimistic unless the trailer looks objectively bad (like Sonic… the trailer really did look objectively bad…) But I think what the community wants, especially those who hate… is for the producers to listen to the fandom (which is what the director of that Sonic movie decided to do, and now the movie is delayed with no release date in sight). Unfortunately, life doesn’t work like that and everyone should see the product first before dropping their thoughts on it. Excellent post as always, sir. Have you seen Solo after The Last Jedi? I wasn’t a HUGE fan of it either… but it wasn’t worse than TLJ… 😮 Hopefully the final piece of the trilogy will revive SW for everyone.
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It’s so true. The whole video that started me wanting to write this post, is a video on the new Star Wars movie that said: “ We don’t care” And I immediately thought and said: “Who is this “we” and I DO care. It’s the same with Terminator and the new Batwoman series: there is just so much hate based on absolutely nothing. Just a few short teasers and trailers. That is nothing yet, just seriously give it at least a chance🤔🤔
But well, that is why I wrote this post to hopefully make a point and spread a little bit of positivity for a change. As for Solo, I’m going to say: I really liked it. Can’t help it. It had a bit of an old adventure movie style to it, and well for me it was enjoyable. I am hoping that the new film will definitely bring Star Wars to a good close for everyone 😊😊 Thanks for the kind words, and may the force be with you 😊
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Made sure to stop by and read after chatting last night 🙂
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Haha, thank you Jon! I hope the post was succesful in at least bringing a little bit of positivity 😊😊
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It was a good read, it brought it through 🙂
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I totally agree with you. People consider it a trend nowadays to critique the life out of a movie or a TV series. Like really? Although you mentioned how people assess trailers sometimes some films go through a lot of hate for some things really bringing down the good points it has. I seriously don’t know where this is going. It’s not like I don’t post negative points while I review but we need to keep a line where we shouldn’t just kill a work of art, that a lot of people created and we should all respect each other’s opinion and what others feel.
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Well said indeed. I honestly don’t mind it if a review is negative. I mean if a film really isn’t good, it isn’t good. There is nothing wrong with that. What is bad is when you try to convince other people that your opinion is the only thing that matters, and that others should agree with you or else…
I really hope the positivity is eventually going to outgrow the negative aspects😊 And hopefully a post like this will help with that 😊
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Like you say, trailers lie and don’t always give an accurate impression of what the final movie will be like. It’s a bit silly for people to go overboard with negativity or hype based on a trailer. All that said, sometimes the negative videos can be funny. I had a laugh seeing everyone react to Sonic the Hedgehog for example.
Terminator 2 is one of the best movies of all time. I can’t get too excited for this latest film though, as the series has been going downhill since T2. Will wait and see what the reviews are like before deciding whether to watch or not.
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Lol, admittedly some of those videos can be funny (I had a serious laugh at some of the Game of Thrones videos out there for instance). But well…as I said I don’t mind negative videos. It’s okay to point out that something is not good, if it’s really not good. But at least give something a chance and see it first, before actively trying to burn something that no one has seen yet. And worse convince people of that. That really can annoy me to no end.
As for the Terminator franchise, well…I hear you. But with Cameron being back on board for this, and the orginal cast back in place as well, I’m cautiously optimistic here. We’ll see 😊 All I can say is fingers crossed…and else…We’ll be back….for another negative review haha 😂😂
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Really great discussion to have! I do agree that you shouldn’t trash a film before you see it (and this is also a problem in the book community with people trashing books before they read them, based on negative reviews). I don’t think it makes sense to do that, because you haven’t given it a shot and can’t have formed a real opinion. And it is a shame that fandoms have gotten so negative. I do relate to an extent about SW, cos I also hated TLJ…. but I’ve come to a different conclusion, because I personally no longer have an interest in this current trilogy. I think you make a good point about not stopping watching your favourite series based on one bad episode- I know I powered through Game of Thrones despite a few duds- although given how that crashed and burned, I think this maybe is an argument for quitting while you’re ahead… Which kinda leads me onto why I won’t be bothering to watch Rise of the Skywalker. For me, it’s been a build up of despondency over a few movies, since I only really love the original trilogy. I do think that people shouldn’t try to sap the joy from others and if people want to go see it, that’s cool. For me, and a lot of fans, I think there’s a feeling of apathy (and some anger) which doesn’t inspire me (or many others) to spend a fortune on movie tickets (I don’t know what fares are like in the Netherlands, but in the UK/London in particular it’s *expensive*). I think it’s fair to be reluctant to spend money on something that we probably won’t like. As for creators, I do think they should be respectful to fans (another problem with SW is how producers/directors have reacted- which doesn’t endear people to spend money on their movies).
Sorry if I’m being a little negative- just trying to give a little of the other perspective. I do agree with you that it doesn’t make sense to make endless videos about not wanting to see a movie- but I think a lot of them are designed for people who feel the same way (rather than to convince people who want to see it). Personally, I only ever want to review something and then leave it. Even if I reference a movie I don’t like, I really can’t imagine spending ages writing posts telling people not to see it/saying I won’t be seeing the sequel.
Anyway, sorry for prattling on, really thought provoking discussion!
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